tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2196408733789348967.post2318103392531736855..comments2023-06-21T04:35:40.085-07:00Comments on Random Spiritualities from a Doctor's Chair: Destined to Die- The movie WANTEDAlex Tanghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04003300678212296112noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2196408733789348967.post-65265878255751287652008-06-29T06:44:08.558-07:002008-06-29T06:44:08.558-07:00hi uncle Alex, have you read Hamlet before? It'...hi uncle Alex, have you read Hamlet before? It's like when he says heaven has chosen him to be their "scourge and minister" to wipe out evil in Denmark.Mary-Ruthhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14454795681211072921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2196408733789348967.post-82711075783736252062008-06-29T16:35:27.692-07:002008-06-29T16:35:27.692-07:00as i was watching it occured to me that the Fraern...as i was watching it occured to me that the Fraernity's view of justice is simply 'un-Jesus'. a person is not guilty 'until' they actually commit the crime, and God cannot / does not judge a person for crimes uncommitted.<br><br>simple reason being that until a crime has been done, it is not 'actual' - it remains only 'possible' i.e. it isn't real. Which leads me back to the foreknowledge debate on whether the future as 'actual' or as 'possible', and if the latter (which I think is the right view) then God can only know the future as it is, i.e. as possible.alwynnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2196408733789348967.post-2797371403945177082008-06-29T16:48:05.848-07:002008-06-29T16:48:05.848-07:00Hi praseodymi,Yes, I have read Hamlet and think it...Hi praseodymi,<br><br>Yes, I have read Hamlet and think it is a great play. My favourite Shakespeare's play is still Julius Caesar. <br><br>Come to think of it, you are right in linking Hamlet to this movie. Some people believe they are God's chosen instrument to do his will and that may involve killing. Notable historical example-the Crusades.Alex Tanghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04003300678212296112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2196408733789348967.post-47780747125722771122008-06-29T16:57:04.818-07:002008-06-29T16:57:04.818-07:00hi alwyn,Good comment. This is exactly the dilemma...hi alwyn,<br><br>Good comment. This is exactly the dilemma I felt when watching <i> Minority Report</i> which was based on a novel by Philip Dirk. Can a person be punished for crimes he or she has yet to commit?<br><br>About the foreknowledge debate, if God can only know the 'possible', the he is not omniscience, is he?<br><br>Brings to mind, the Terminator movies. "The future is what we make it" declares Sarah Connors repeatedly and yet whatever they tried to do, the age of machines draws near. Interesting analogy.Alex Tanghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04003300678212296112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2196408733789348967.post-6243318162975057982008-06-30T01:37:45.207-07:002008-06-30T01:37:45.207-07:00Hi Alex,Regarding omniscience, I think the issue i...Hi Alex,<br><br>Regarding omniscience, I think the issue isn't what God CAN know. It's about what EXISTS to be known. See, if the future doesn't yet exist in *actuality*, then there is 'nothing actual' for God to know, is there? There can only the possible.<br><br>It's like, if there are only 3 chairs in a room, we can't say that God knows there are four chairs. God is all-knowing about reality, and an 'determined actualised future' may not be part of that reality - at the very least, that's the issue under debate (and NOT whether God knows 'everything').<br><br>Some reflections on M.Report here (http://www.angelfire.com/journal/althehare/minority_rpt.html)<br><br>I loved that show, too :)alwynhttp://alwynlau.blogdrive.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2196408733789348967.post-77429512400134694362008-06-30T01:39:11.305-07:002008-06-30T01:39:11.305-07:00oops...sorry the link didn't come out right th...oops...sorry the link didn't come out right the first time:<br><br>http://www.angelfire.com/journal/althehare/minority_rpt.htmlalwynnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2196408733789348967.post-10315488184080283892008-06-30T03:59:29.174-07:002008-06-30T03:59:29.174-07:00hi alwyn,I always enjoy our interactions. Thanks a...hi alwyn,<br><br>I always enjoy our interactions. Thanks also for the link to Al's website and the billiard ball causation and agent causation posting.<br><br>In systems theory, for direct causation-effect to occur, one will assume a closed system. But creation is not a closed system.<br><br>About the future not existing because it has not happen yet, one has to assume that time is linear. What happens if time is not linear?<br><br>And about God not knowing the future, one will has to postulate that God is part of time. What if God exist outside of time? <br><br>God will have to because he cannot save creation if he is part of creation. :)Alex Tanghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04003300678212296112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2196408733789348967.post-13891651931932131462008-06-30T06:16:44.942-07:002008-06-30T06:16:44.942-07:00hi Alex,Nice points. How could you access the link...hi Alex,<br><br>Nice points. How could you access the link? It looked broken la...;>)<br><br>I can't comment about the 'time being linear' part because IMO that would be like supporting one controversy with yet another controversial hypothesis. Nevertheless, whether is time is linear or non-linear, I hope we can agree that the issue is whether what we call the 'future' is something which actually exists (to be known) or not. It isn't God's omniscience in question here.<br><br>Your comment about God being 'part of creation' is, IMO, somewhat confusing. Notice that I never said He was a 'part of' creation; I only said that the status of the future isn't determinate, that's it. (Nothing to do with God's creaturely or creator-ly status here). I get a feeling you're assuming that if the future remains unknown, therefore God must be considered 'part of' creation. Either that or you've EQUATED 'Creator' to 'knowing all the future' - which is the very issue at hand.<br><br>But in the context of creation, I think the issue is whether God can *sovereignly* choose to create a world where even He can be surprised, shocked, have His mind changed, take risks i.e. face an open non-determinate future. <br><br>Can He do this and remain Creator Saviour God? I would think He can.alwynnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2196408733789348967.post-3017865725600887572008-06-30T16:15:14.351-07:002008-06-30T16:15:14.351-07:00hi alwyn,I respect your view that God "can *s...hi alwyn,<br><br>I respect your view that God "can *sovereignly* choose to create a world where even He can be surprised, shocked, have His mind changed, take risks i.e. face an open non-determinate future."<br><br>My argument is that God being Creator is outside of time and of his creation. Therefore the past, present, and future is an open book to him. Thus I believe as you put it "EQUATED 'Creator' to 'knowing all the future'"Alex Tanghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04003300678212296112noreply@blogger.com