tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2196408733789348967.post2647360391588843783..comments2023-06-21T04:35:40.085-07:00Comments on Random Spiritualities from a Doctor's Chair: Pastors are Angry with their CongregationsAlex Tanghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04003300678212296112noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2196408733789348967.post-9292690202819339692009-02-13T23:35:43.923-08:002009-02-13T23:35:43.923-08:00This is a scary report. I can understand anger at ...This is a scary report. I can understand anger at individuals' actions (occasionally) or even an individual but anger at the church? That's pretty broad ...Paul Longhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01090793506050422565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2196408733789348967.post-24192829557357444322009-02-13T23:57:27.316-08:002009-02-13T23:57:27.316-08:00Perhaps what they really are angry at is that uniq...Perhaps what they really are angry at is that unique subculture called "church" - quite a distinct animal compared to THE church.Adeste Infidelisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2196408733789348967.post-82597662631214962262009-02-14T09:55:18.111-08:002009-02-14T09:55:18.111-08:00This really speaks to the dysfunctional atmosphere...This really speaks to the dysfunctional atmosphere in churches.. to <a href="http://www.kansasbob.com/2007/08/clergy-entitlement.html" rel="nofollow">Pastoral Entitlement</a> and maybe <a href="http://www.kansasbob.com/2009/02/pastoral-misconduct.html" rel="nofollow">why these folks stray</a>.Kansas Bobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17440862813109808755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2196408733789348967.post-73606706766764137112009-02-14T19:18:41.665-08:002009-02-14T19:18:41.665-08:00Intriguing opportunity - looks like nobody likes c...Intriguing opportunity - looks like nobody likes church - neither the congregation(sheep), pastor nor governors!<br><br>Why have Church at all in its present form? <br><br>Do we need to evolve to a new structure or revert to a Pauline house church of rotating pastor.<br><br>The model is broken because there is a need to manage substantial resources(money)and because most pastors are "professionals."<br><br>Professionalism eliminates truth morality, conviction with consumablity, value and competence. <br><br>It becomes a very structured transaction instead. <br><br>You get what you pay for and since markets are imperfect who can be happy (joyful)?journeymannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2196408733789348967.post-1485072753800001112009-02-14T20:48:23.383-08:002009-02-14T20:48:23.383-08:00Hi Paul,I guess when you are frustrated, disappoin...Hi Paul,<br><br>I guess when you are frustrated, disappointed, and angry enough, you then to think of your whole congregation as the focus of your anger. I pray that this will not happen to you.Alex Tanghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04003300678212296112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2196408733789348967.post-87849157670169505682009-02-14T20:49:25.987-08:002009-02-14T20:49:25.987-08:00Hi Bob K,You are right. I am sure they are referri...Hi Bob K,<br><br>You are right. I am sure they are referring to their local congregation as distinct from the church catholic.Alex Tanghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04003300678212296112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2196408733789348967.post-17092814644104646522009-02-14T20:52:55.412-08:002009-02-14T20:52:55.412-08:00Hi Bob,I agree with you that many of our churches ...Hi Bob,<br><br>I agree with you that many of our churches are dysfunctional (dare I say all?). It hurts me to say that. How can Christ's body be dysfunctional? Your posts are relevant to my thoughts. Does the fault lies with the leaders or the congregation or both? Again as I look at the Bible, all families mentioned were dysfunctional.I really appreciate what God has to work with.Alex Tanghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04003300678212296112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2196408733789348967.post-54286921504745850832009-02-14T20:59:54.633-08:002009-02-14T20:59:54.633-08:00Hi Journeyman,Interesting comments.I do not know i...Hi Journeyman,<br><br>Interesting comments.<br><br>I do not know if Pauline churches have "rotating pastors." I am not even sure they have pastors at all. The word pastor is used as a function rather than an office. There were elders and deacons.<br><br>Professional pastors came later after the Constantine reforms. I will hesitate to generalise about professional pastors. Mark Galli's report may be a sampling of some pastors attending the convention. I am sure there are professional pastors with integrity, conviction,and competence who are happy in serving their congregations.Alex Tanghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04003300678212296112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2196408733789348967.post-45290643028647095282009-02-15T18:34:08.878-08:002009-02-15T18:34:08.878-08:00Remarks are not to be perceived on a micro level b...Remarks are not to be perceived on a micro level but as a macro analysis tool. <br><br>Similarly, in the midst of our crumbling financial system and fast evolving economic crisis there will be some great small banker and bankers.<br><br>Rotating pastor was my collective for transient aggregator (facilitator) for each meet. My limited understanding was that Pauline experience was to "select" the most appropriately gifted for each of the task that had to be done. <br><br>This raises the question if longevity was a requirement for starting a church or was the experience a transient, irregular event on ones christian journey.<br><br>Is the christian experience a smooth sequential progressive or a discrete, quantum step/shelf experience?journeymannoreply@blogger.com